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2010-09-09 22:37



Erika Gibson

Die lugmag gaan beweerde vergrype en swak dissipline onder instrukteurs in die lugmaggimnasium by Hoedspruit ondersoek.

Lt.genl. Carlo Gagiano, lugmaghoof, het vandeesweek gesê hy beskou bewerings oor die mishandeling van rekrute en drankmisbruik onder die instrukteurs in die opleidingseenheid in ’n baie ernstige lig.

Volgens hom sal die saak deeglik ondersoek en die nodige stappe gedoen word om nog probleme te voorkom.

Hy het gereageer nadat Beeld klagtes van lede van die publiek en besorgde ouers ontvang het.

Rassisme vier glo hoogty en die studente durf nie kla nie omdat van die instrukteurs glo “vriende in hoë poste” het.

Vroulike studente loop ook deur en moet genoeë daarmee neem dat van die instrukteurs weier om vertrekke te verlaat waar die vroue verklee.

As hulle durf kla, word hulle geviktimiseer.

Een van die instrukteurs het glo die gewoonte om die vroue as “jou n**i” aan te spreek.

Vir sommige wat onlangs ’n ouerdag by die eenheid bygewoon het, was dit die druppel wat die emmer laat oorloop het toe van die instrukteurs sommer vroeg dié dag hul uniforms uitgetrek en aan die drink gegaan het.

Nog ’n instrukteur het by die geleentheid ’n student se arendkenteken van sy vlugpet afgepluk omdat die instrukteur glo syne verloor het.

Hy het toe ten aanhore van ’n klomp mense vir die student gesê om te “f***f”.

’n Omstander het die student met ’n ander kenteken gehelp, maar die volgende dag is die student “gestraf”.

Die instrukteur het hom gedwing om 5 liter water te drink omdat hy die kenteken aanvaar het.

Die instrukteurs se gevloek het al só ondraaglik geword dat die eenheid se kapelaan herhaaldelik daaroor gekla het.

Niks word egter aan die probleem gedoen nie.

’n Lid van die publiek wat by die ope dag was, het aan Beeld gesê dit is uiters onsmaaklik dat instrukteurs die lugmag se naam só deur die modder sleep.

“Hoe kan daar van rekrute verwag word om gedissiplineerd op te tree as die instrukteurs geen dissipline het nie?”

Klagtes oor opleidingsmetodes het begin vanjaar begin opduik, kort nadat die eenheid van Valhalla na Hoedspruit verskuif is.

Die weermag het toe gesê die instrukteurs sal voorligting moet kry oor die hoër temperature in Hoedspruit en die gevare wat volgehoue opleiding in hitte kan veroorsaak.

Dít was nadat van die studente glo gedwing is om op vuurwarm teer opstote te doen totdat hulle blase op hul hande gehad het.

Volgens ingeligtes het dadels gekom van verskeie klagtes en ingrypings om die probleme by te lê.



Lewer kommentaar op dié storie

Maans 9/10/2010 8:07:37 AM
Wat soek vrouens in elk geval in die weermag? Dis reg hel daai rekrute op!

Tom Steenkamp 9/10/2010 8:11:28 AM
Dit is erg wat van ons elite eenhede geword het, die generale is so dik en kan nooit operasioneel optree nie en kan nie eens ordentlik praat nie, kyk na US generaals jy kan hulle altyd deur n ring trek, ek wou altyd so generaal geword het maar na 94 wil ek my nie vereenselwig met die gespuis nie, geen disipiline en geen respek vir mede mens, alles tedanke aan n veraaier.

S 9/10/2010 8:15:04 AM
In my dae het die instrukteurs baie leliker gepraat en ons gedril tot party ouens uit gepass het. Ons was goeie gedisiplineerde troepe! Vandag se weermag is vir al die samelewing se rejects, die Instrukteurs inkluis. Waar in jou lewe het jy gesien dat drank by 'n ouer dag toe-gelaat word??

Marié 9/10/2010 8:15:26 AM
Dis lankal hoogtyd dat die hele weermag ondersoek word.Ek was ook in die SAW, en dis verbysterend hoe toestande hand uit geruk het vandat ek uit is.Dis nie meer 'n plek vir enige ordentlike mens nie, want jy maak doodeenvoudig net jou kinders met beter morele waardes groot as wat hulle in die SAW leer.As dit is wat die SAW ons kinders leer, is ek dankbaar my seuns het nooit gegaan nie.

Johan 9/10/2010 8:17:59 AM
Twee probleme met die woord "LUGmag": Ons vliegtuie staan op die grond en daar is nie juis meer 'n "mag" om van te praat nie.

KASPER 9/10/2010 8:21:54 AM
Gooi 'n klomp ongedissiplineerde varke saam in 'n kamp en dis wat gebeur.

Oud troep 9/10/2010 8:23:35 AM
Ai shamepies... Ons moes op teer wat besig was om te smelt voor die k-store sit en blase op ons boude kry. Ons het nie geweet van met tekkies dril op gras ens. Ons is gevloek en op geskree en afgebreek tot op die grond en dan weer opgebou. En vang is ek bly ek is daardeur. Dit het van my die mens gemaak wat ek vandag is. Ek het nog basies in Valhalla gedoen en ons familie dae was heerlik. Dis hoekom die kinders van vandag nie meer ruggraat het nie. Hulle hardloop vir alles na mamma en pappa toe. Man jy het besluit om lugmag toe te gaan, niemand het 'n pistool teen jou kop gehou en jou gedwing. Vat dit soos 'n man, nie 'n moffie. Wat gaan hulle doen die dag as oorlog uitbreek? Ook na mamma hardloop en sê die mense skiet op hom? Ons moes ook water drink dat jy lê maar nou lag ek daaroor. Die lugmag het sy eie kultuur en as jy nie daarvan deel is of was nie sal jy dit nie verstaan nie. Ek kan werklik van dag met trots sê ek was in die Lugmag en my basiese opleiding was een van die lekkerste tye van my lewe.

Hoednam 9/10/2010 8:24:14 AM
Ek was in 1992 in "Hellcamp" Hoedspruit en dit klink of die opleidings-tegnieke glad nie verander het nie. Nietemin, ek is nie spyt ek was deel daarvan nie en wens meer van vandag se laaities kon 'n smakie daarvan smaak.

Staak 9/10/2010 8:25:30 AM
Ag nee man hoekom staak hulle dan nie dis mos maklik almal doen dit as hulle ontevreede is met hulle werks omstandighede

Nelrie 9/10/2010 8:29:28 AM
Waar is die soldate se trots heen? Dit was nie so in die ou bedeling nie. En terwyl daar in die artikel van rassisme gepraat word, kan ons net raai watter kleur hierdie instrukteurs is. Laat dit 'n les wees om die donners oral in te druk. Dis hoe dit oral in ons land gaan waar hulle aan bewind is. As hulle nie korrup is nie is hulle onmenslik. 'n Ordentlike eerbare mens doen nie sulke goed nie, en ek se weer, in die ou bedeling het dit nie so gegaan nie. Dit was nie geduld nie. Hierdie ouens is 'n verleentheid vir die lugmag en die mensdom.

Voormalige Lugmag Lid 9/10/2010 8:33:54 AM
Dit is glad nie 'n nuwe verskynsel nie. Toe ek die Basiese Militere Opleiding gedoen het amper 15 jaar terug, moes ons dag na dag saamleef met soortgelyke vergrype. Van ons troepe moes selfs wag hou in die aande terwyl die instrukteurs seks het met van die studente dames, natuurlik om te keer dat hulle nie gevikimiseer word nie. Glo my, die enigste rede hoekom dit nou "ernstig" ondersoek word is omdat dit aan die breër publiek bekend geword het. Hierdie soort vergrype is algemene kennis in die geledere van die lugmag. Daar word maar net ander pad gekyk want jy is EERSTE 'n SOLDAAT en dán 'n individu!

Voormalige lugmag lid 9/10/2010 8:38:39 AM
Oud Troep en Hoednam. Ek dink julle lei soos 99% van weermag lede aan Stockholm Sindroom. Jy word afgebreek ja, maar die manier waarop jy "opgebou" word laat veel te wense agter.

Kannie meer nie koporaal 9/10/2010 8:38:49 AM
Al wat ek kan sê is, dat die rekruute kan bly wees hulle was nie in die die vorige bedeling se mag nie, en selfs van 194 tot 1998, hulle sou dit definitief gemaak het nie. Kinders van vandag

Anita 9/10/2010 8:43:34 AM
Dit is maklik om te praat, maar wanneer vir jou kind gaan kuier en jy mag hom nie eens soengroet nie is dit nie snaaks nie. Die kinders is te bang om hul pa's met die hand te groet want hulle weet wanneer die "dronk" instrukteur dit sien is hulle die volgende in die moeilikheid. Ek het geen probleem daarmee dat die kinders goeie opleiding moet kry nie en dat die dissipline goed moet wees nie, maar daar is altyd perke met alles. Ek dink nie sommige van die instrukteurs weet wat dit is om 'n instruksteur is nie - is hulle ooit opgelei om enige opleiding te kan doen? Ek wonder? Ek dink daar is 'n plek vir dames en mans in enige plek - so moenie diskrimineer nie. EK dink die ouerdag was in elk geval "hel" vir die kinders gewees want hulle het geweet wat vir hulle wag wanneer die ouers gery het. Ek se sterkte aan al die kinders op Hoedspruit want hulle het die kans aangegryp om hul land te dien uit vry wil uit. Waar is al die ander kinders wat so op die strate le en nie wil werk nie - hoekom word hulle nie verplig om dit te doen nie? Ek wonder maar net?

Troepie 9/10/2010 8:49:30 AM
Hoor hier Maans,jy het seker glad nie eers diensplig gedoen nie! Daar is plek vir vrouens in die Weermag, en hulle doen 'n baie goeie job ook! Ek het 3 maande basies in die Lugmag voltooi en is nie een dag spyt daaroor nie, dit het my 'n sterk mens gemaak, meer as wat ek kan se van die moffie-jeug van vandag....bring diensplig terug en dit sal sommer baie beter gaan met Suid Afrika!

Lee 9/10/2010 8:54:38 AM
En toe dink die nie-blankes dit was lekker vir blankes in apartheid. Ons as kinders het ook ge-"struggle" Weermag is nie vir sussies nie. "If you can't stand the heat, leave the kitchen..."

Verdomp 9/10/2010 8:55:30 AM
Maans, jy is 'n n*&%#i, as jy nie weet vaarvan jy praat nie moet jy liewers jou mond hou. Ek was self in die Lugmag, en 'n vrou, met 'n man en kinders. My basies opleiding was van die beste en vandag verdien ek 'n salaris wat jy nooit in jou verdomde lewe sal sien nie, en alles te danke aan die Lugmag. So, hou jou verdomde mentaliteit vir jouself en aan drink jou bier en los die in tipe gespreke vir die groot mense

Kobra 9/10/2010 9:07:05 AM
Hoe lekker lag ek nou vir mamma en pappa se seuntjies en dogtertjies. Ek was ook in die weermag en dit was toe al hel, maar lekker! Ek stem saam met Oud Troep; Dis wat ons respek gegee het vir ons medemens...word wakker asb en vat dit wat jou kant toe kom...

Eks Kpl 9/10/2010 9:11:29 AM
Wat en waarvoor bestaan die weermag nog? Ek hou van die weermag maar glad nie Suid Afrika nie en ook nie een van Afrika lande nie. As dit nie was vir die MK lede ens in die 1995 was ek nog lank in die weermag. Lyk vir my die weermag is maar net n welsyn organisasie dit is maar al. El sal wit ouers aanraai om liewers jul kinders te leer om besigheid te maak of te omskep as om deel te wees van die weermag. Want daar gaan jy rasisme kry en daar gaan sukkel om n rang te kry. Daar is geen respek nie. Daar word sommer in die Mfezi (Bos Ambulans)kos gemaak ens. Nee wat, julle moet mal wees om deel te wees van hierdie Nuwe Suid Afrika Weermag DIT IS NIE N WEERMAG NIE!

Marine 9/10/2010 9:16:27 AM
bly weg uit die weermag uit. Gaan sluit aan by die Britse weermag of erens waar jy ordentlike opleiding ontvang en mense van goeie kaliber jou instrukteurs is. Wat doen die SA weermag nog?

Elize 9/10/2010 9:16:35 AM
Ag Maans van watter planeet is jy, my dogter was besig met haar opleiding as 'n ATC in die Lugmag................en sy was deel van 'n rassisme probleem alreeds gewees dit het Beeld voorblad gehaal, maar daar het niks van gekom nie omdat sy WIT is!

Danie 9/10/2010 9:17:41 AM
Ek het gesk*t in die weermag toe ek verpligte opleiding moes ondergaan in 1965. Ek is nie dood nie en dit het my net sterk gemaak. Kry vir julle, sissies.

Annie @ Maans 9/10/2010 9:47:30 AM
So jy reken vrouens hoort nie in die Weermag nie, nee ou jy is verkeerd mense soos jy hoort nie eers op planeet aarde nie, nevermid die Weermag.

pti 9/10/2010 9:55:59 AM
Ek kan my ore nie glo nie - ek was n pti op Hoedspruit basis en so ook Valhalla. Daar was geen sulke st*nt gewees nie- WYS MAAR NET HOE DINGE VERANDER A.G.V GEEN DISIPLINE NIE.En so vir die rekord: Disipline vloei van bo na onder - Hallo

Fran 9/10/2010 9:58:43 AM
Ek was in die Vloot 95-96. Daar is op ons gevloek en geskree, ons was verneder en aangerand, water PT was 'n greeelde verskynsel, elke dag push ups gedoen op vuurwarm teer. En toe doen ek die Vloot se duikkurses... Hell camp x 20. Regig, as die weermag vir jou te hard is of jy mis jou mamma te veel, verlaat die instansie of grow a pair.

Hannes 9/10/2010 10:00:06 AM
Kan Oud-Troep en Troepie dalk net asseblief verduidelik hoe "moffies" dan nou deel van hierdie gesprek gerword het? En probeer asseblief om die verduideliking nie te "macho" te maak nie?

Hoednam 9/10/2010 10:05:28 AM
die dinge wat in artikel is gebeur slegs want daar is nie goei strukture in plek en die mense wat aangestel is ,is daar agv hul velkleur. Die wat wel die werk kon doen moes weggewys word omdat daar mos plek gemaak moes word vir ;affrimative action en fast tracking'....dan ry jy nou die dinge waar kinders oorgelaat word aan onkundige instrukteurs hetsy juniors of seniors ...want almal van hul stel net in hul eie 'beroepe' belang want ja hul gaan op hul tyd 'irrespective' bevorder word want soos die een klaer gese het hul ken mense in hoe poste. as ek my kinders na so i instituut stuur moet dit groei/ontwikkeling van hom of haar stimuleer ongeag hoe...my kind moet ne n sex-object word waar instrukteurs hul fantasiee uitleef, of van hul 'punching bags' maak. laat ons maar sen of die seniors wat nog wel manne van inbors is in die GOEIE OU LUGMAG iets omtrent dit gaan doen....PER ASPERA AD ASTRA!!!!!!

Oud Soldaat 9/10/2010 10:20:44 AM
Ag komaan dit gaan al jare so aan... Ek is in 1986 weermag toe en moes as 'n rekruut veel erger deur maak. Dit het my net sterke en beter soldaat gemaak. Dit het my geleer om paraat en trots te wees. Dit is die manier hoe dinge gedoen word in die weermag. Dit is nie 'n plek vir sissies en tange nie. As jy nie daarvan hou nie dan is jy welkom om tou op te gooi en hare te gaan sny. Nee wragtig mense moet op hou kla oor nonsens!!!

Peanut 9/10/2010 10:22:03 AM
Dit is jammer om te sien hoe alles agteruit gaan en deur die mense se gatte getrek word. Hulle weet nie wat dit is om opleiding te gee nie. Hulle maak misbruik van alles en dink hulle hoort in die posisie waarin hulle is al het hulle nie eers die nodige agtergrond en opleiding nie. Dit is hartseer om nie meer mense wat in die Polisie, Weermag, Lugmag, Vloot ens is te sien wat hulle uniforms met TROTS dra nie. Nou sien jy lede met met 'n chappie in die bek, 'n hemp wat uithang, stink en slordig is. G'n wonder die mentaliteit is nie baie hoog nie. Wil net altyd alles hê maar is nie bereid om daarvoor te werk nie. Ek sidder om te dink sulke mense probeer ander mense opleiding gee.

Meraatjie 9/10/2010 10:31:12 AM
Ag ou Maans!!!! Jy het seker nog 'n snor daarby? Wel ek dink Maas - daar sit 'n stukkie vrot kaas op jou bo lip, want iets ruik bietjie nie te wel. Of dalk is dit bier walms. Ek het self hoe rang as vrou gehad en die bewyse was daar wat om te sien wat ek as vrou kon bereik. Jy is seker ook die regte patriagale tipe man tuis ook. Google dit en sien wat dit beteken. Kry jou vrou jammer as jy een het. Daardie dae en daardie ''atttiture'' denke van vrou in in die kombuis is lankal verby al het ons nie soveel spiere soos jy (en ek praat nou nie van die boepens nie.

Wonder maar net 9/10/2010 10:39:46 AM
Oud Soldaat - het jy wit of swart instrukteurs gehad, het jy saam met wit of swart troepe gebly, saam met wie het jy gestort en geeet, saam met wie het jy geoefen, ens? Vra maar net. Wie het jou afgebreek en weer opgebou tot waar jy vandag is? Vra maar net wat ek sien dit was in 1986 - lank voor die einde van apartheid en die nuwe regering?

Sane Serenity 9/10/2010 10:43:46 AM
Dit sal pret wees om die weermag nou in 'n oorlog te sien. Derde het VIGS, en die helfte is oorgewig.



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Life-threatening injuries: Two people are battling for their lives after their plane crashed into the back garden of a bungalow in Totton



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This is why they wanted SKOOR earlier this week to approve the halting of the local Investigation.....


Saab charged over sale of Gripens to SA
MAGNUS WALAN - Sep 09 2010 17:59


Criminal charges were filed on Thursday against Sweden's Saab AB for bribery after the emergence of new facts relating to the sale of Jas 39 Gripen aircraft to South Africa in 1999 and the counter-purchases that were a part of the agreement.

Aid organisation Diakonia, the Swedish Fellowship of Reconciliation and the Swedish Peace and Arbitration Society, which brought the charges, are demanding that the discontinued investigation into the sale be resumed.

Anna Ek, president of the Swedish Peace and Arbitration Society, said the deal could be the largest biggest corruption scandal yet involving a Swedish corporation. "Our nation's chief prosecutor must leave no stone unturned in efforts to ensure the whole truth is disclosed and that those responsible are brought to justice," Ek said

Information contained in a newly published book entitled Bribery, Power and Aid -- Jas and the South Africa affair, suggests that suspicious payments were made by Saab subsidiary Sanip to South African businessman Fana Hlongwane, who has close connections with the South African political elite and served as adviser to Joe Modise, former defence minister, at the time the deal was closed.

Hlongwane has also served as a board member and CEO of the South African defence corporation Denel that was involved in the counter-purchases.

"We have warned all along that the sales of Jas to South Africa could undermine efforts at poverty reduction in that country and that the counter-purchases will not benefit the poor," said Bo Forsberg, Diakonia secretary general. "Now it has become clear that the entire agreement was secured in a corrupt manner."

Politicians from both sides of the politic divide in Sweden supported and devoted much diplomatic and political energy to convincing South Africa to purchase the Gripen aircraft.

The government provided export credits through EKN, the Swedish export credits guarantee board, worth 16-billion Swedish kroner, while SEK, the Swedish export credit corporation, made multibillion-kroner loans.

Elisabeth Lundgren, secretary general of the Swedish Fellowship of Reconciliation, said: "We demand that an independent citizens' commission be formed and charged with investigating the role played by the government in these arms deals.

"A frightening silence seems to prevail, whereby decision-makers seem to protect and watch out for each other."



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YES!! BRAVO SWEDISH PEACE AND ARBITRATION, DIAKONIA, AND SWEDISH FELLOWSHIP OF RECONCILIATION. It's about time someone, somewhere demanded an accounting of the bribes and kickbacks that affected both Sweden and South Africa with devastating consequences for the poor in SA whose living conditions have worsened as a result of money mis-spent on un-necessary military hardware. And great timing, Swedes!
Rory Quinn on September 9, 2010, 6:20 pm

Cool, I wonder what the official south african response is to these charges, hahahahaha, they keep getting caught with their pants down.
white trash on September 9, 2010, 6:27 pm

There is no doubt that there were huge kickbacks in the Gripen deal. First, SA paid an inflated price of well over 60m USD per plane, when the list price was about 30m. Secondly, and this is even more interesting, the Gripen is not well suited to SA conditions, having a very limited payload/range capability and being heavily reliant on a fleet of tankers, which SA does not have. We have spent a fortune and received a 'toy'. Even the Saudis, who also pay large bribes, at least have the sense to buy equipment of some strategic value.
Mark Robertson on September 9, 2010, 6:28 pm

The other point which nobody notices is that the Gripen has such high US content that we may well have bought a superior US product. Should SA and the US ever have a major fall out, which is quite possible given the current direction SA is heading in, the US could ground our entire fleet just by cutting off spare parts. We are not always terribly smart.
Mark Robertson on September 9, 2010, 6:32 pm

Oh snap!

Response from the ANC? Or will they ignore this matter, and hope it goes away? Like the BAE guilty admission.
Sinudeity @gmail.com on September 9, 2010, 6:50 pm

Slowly, slowly, the truth will out.

How will President 783 cover this one up? Menzi Simelane does not work in the Swedish chief prosecutor's office.
v 3 on September 9, 2010, 6:54 pm

"A frightening silence seems to prevail, whereby decision-makers seem to protect and watch out for each other." Indeed. That describes today's SA political culture to a tee. Why does it take a foreigner to say it?
Mark Robertson on September 9, 2010, 6:59 pm

I sincerely hope and pray that the whole truth will prevail and that each and every one of the international corporations and local politicians and other perpetrators in this and every other corrupt transaction that bled our fiscus dry will rather sooner than later be brought to book. They stole our peace and prosperity and everyone that along the way covered in any manner whatsoever for any of them for whatever reason should hang their heads in shame. They all are traitors of the worst kind imaginable. If they are law enforcement officials or members of any one of the Institutions mentioned in Chapter 8 and 9 of the Constitution, 1996 the must be charged with high treason.
Red Robin on September 9, 2010, 7:49 pm

Let's hope the Swedes put more than a single investigator on the case! Filing charges is one thing, getting the appropriate resources assigned to the prosecution is another. Note that the original investigation was discontinued.
Roger Pacey on September 9, 2010, 7:56 pm


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Interpol warns on Qu'ran burning
2010-09-09 19:53


Lyon - The global police agency Interpol warned on Thursday that if a US church group makes good on a threat to burn copies of the Qu'ran it will probably trigger terrorist attacks around the world.

Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble said he had warned member states that "if the proposed Qu'ran burning... goes ahead as planned, there is a strong likelihood that violent attacks on innocent people would follow.

"Although there are currently no specific details as to what forms of terror attacks would follow, what is clear is - if the Qu'ran burning goes ahead as planned - there will be tragic consequences," he said in a statement.

A small church group in the US state of Florida is planning to mark the September 11 anniversary of the 2001 attacks on New York and Washington by burning copies of the Qu'ran, Islam's holy book.

The threat has received worldwide condemnation and provoked warnings from the group's own US government and experts around the world that the insult to Islam could provoke bloodshed.

Interpol has forwarded its 188 member states a warning from Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik of likely reprisals, and said it had expressed its own concern while asking police forces to pool information.

"September 11 is a day when the world should come together to redouble our efforts to prevent and fight terrorism," Noble said.

He warned any burning would "give terrorists propaganda intended to convert September 11 from a day of remembrance, to one of recruitment for terrorists and others inspired to attack the US and other Western targets".

The agency said its 24-hour command centre in the central French city of Lyon would be "on alert... to treat with urgency any information related to potential criminal conduct linked to the burning of the Qu'ran".

- SAPA

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